Console Gaming annihilates PC Gaming in '07

[DeathscytheX]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/848/848038p1.html

January 28, 2008 - Consumers spent nearly ten billion dollars on videogame software last year, according to data from the NPD Group and the Entertainment Software Association. The bulk of that was on console games, which saw $6.6 billion in sales. Handheld software saw $2 billion, while PC games trailed with $0.9 billion.

This data represents U.S. software sales and does not include hardware numbers.

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People get so mad at me when I state that PC gaming is becoming obsolete. I have no reason to believe otherwise. Consoles have finally surpassed computers... by essentially becoming computer-like themselves. However, I am surprised the difference is that large.

Then again I much rather play Call of Duty 4 on Xbox Live rather than Steam where people cheat and kick you out for using a P90 or sniper rifle.

[Godgrave]

Wow ... that's a lot of money.

[Dubird]

The only reason I don't do console gaming is the cost. It's just too damn expensive anymore. You gotta shell out $500 or so for the console itself, which will be obsolete in a few years, a lot of times you have to pay on online fee (xbox live, i'm looking at you!) for the system, plus the MMOs that have online fees, and then shell out around $80 for the games you want. I simply can't afford that. I have enough trouble keeping my PC somewhat current. ><

[Godgrave]

I just don't have the time for it ... between studying and watching anime, cooking, guitar practicing.

[DeathscytheX]

The only reason I don't do console gaming is the cost. It's just too damn expensive anymore. You gotta shell out $500 or so for the console itself, which will be obsolete in a few years, a lot of times you have to pay on online fee (xbox live, i'm looking at you!) for the system, plus the MMOs that have online fees, and then shell out around $80 for the games you want. I simply can't afford that. I have enough trouble keeping my PC somewhat current. ><

See, I have the opposite view. I got tired getting to play a few computer games and within a few months my computer couldn't run the newest games at their maximum level. I just grew tired of spending time toning down all the graphics, just to play a game. I rather just pay one large sum every 4-8 years on a new console and play games that all run at a consistent level. the PC offers no limit for the developers, while the Console boxes them into certain parameters. They push the limits and I think the challenge makes for better games.

I guess for MMOs it is a double punch on Xbox when it comes to fees. A subscription to Xbox live is the equivalent of buying 1 game a year. $80 for a game? sheesh I hope its a special edition pack or something.

[Dubird]

actually, i don't have a problem with playing games at less than perfect of what they can do.....it'd be nice, but that's not a problem for me.....i mean, i'm only now at the point where my system (well, previous system) was unable to play the newest games.....and i had that system for about 4 years.....plus, i upgrade a little at a time, so it's easier for me to afford it.....*shrugs*.....i've always wanted a modded xbox, but i would rather put my money into one machine that will do everything i want instead of two machines that have to split it up.....don't get me wrong, i like console gaming....i like the controls and it's quicker to start a game up.....but i just can't afford both, so i stick to PC....

[Myk JL]

I've become more of a PC Gamer. Granted I don't buy as many games for it as I do for my Wii. But I can go a weak or more without playing my Wii. My PC on the other hand I've gone on almost everyday whether playing old or new games.

I don't know... Maybe because I don't like recharging batteries. I know I played my Xbox every single day. If I could afford PC upgrades right now or get off my @$$ & work for money I might end up not playing my Wii for over a month.

[the56ker]

well this is because most people download there pc software as oppose to going out and offically buying it -_-

[Ladywriter]

I think I played Twilight Princess and FF12 3 or 4 times last year X'D

[Strider Hiryu]

Is it really that surprising? It was only a matter of time considering how good consoles are becoming now and considering you only need to upgrade once every 5-6 years it's much more cost effective also. I'm just waiting for PC gaming to become obsolete.

[Myk JL]

Is it really that surprising? It was only a matter of time considering how good consoles are becoming now and considering you only need to upgrade once every 5-6 years it's much more cost effective also. I'm just waiting for PC gaming to become obsolete. PC Gaming will never be obsolete.

[gokuDX7]

well this is because most people download there pc software as oppose to going out and offically buying it -_-

I agree, I don't know to many people that pay for their PC games anymore XD. Well unless their mmo games that require a credit card.

and I also agree with Myk JL, PC gaming will never be obsolete. That's like saying Apple is obsolete because more people use windows still :P.

The second reason is because it's far easier to program games for the PC not to mention the Xbox is basically a PC so it makes it easier to port games back and forth. Theres also free/open source/shareware games out there that don't/didn't get added to your little statistics page. People that make the claim that PC games will be obsolete are nuts. Go back to your PS3 fanboy hut DeathscytheX :P.

[Strider Hiryu]

PC Gaming will never be obsolete.

Eh, it might eventually happen (since starting my major I've noticed a few trends with my studies). Not going to say in out lifetime probably but I doubt it'll be along forever. PC Gaming is taking a turn for the worse and has been for the last few years but thats really a discussion for another topic.

[DeathscytheX]

If there are no sales in the PC gaming market because its all illegally downloaded, why would developers keep supporting PC gaming though? If the reason PC games don't sell as well, is the one provided, PC gaming will indeed become obsolete to the point that only one genre will be constant (MMORPGs). Companies flock to where the money is at.

[gokuDX7]

If there are no sales in the PC gaming market because its all illegally downloaded, why would developers keep supporting PC gaming though? If the reason PC games don't sell as well, is the one provided, PC gaming will indeed become obsolete to the point that only one genre will be constant (MMORPGs). Companies flock to where the money is at.

When you have systems build on the PC model and you have company's looking to make money anyway they can, then obviously they're gonna continue making it work for the PC too.

I should have changed that MMORPG to "online games" since those are stupidly hard to pirate. Single player games that don't require Internet on he other hand are pretty simple to pirate but todays trends are more pointed towards online game play then single player action so company's are still making money.

Another thing to keep in mind about the stats you posted is that the Xbox260, Wii, and PS3 just came out within the past year and a half so people are going nuts buying games for them to try out. Give it some time and you will start to see the numbers flattening out. At least till a new console is made.

[DeathscytheX]

Console games have been beating PC games for a while now. The lead just grew, and with the blockbuster hits that are coming out in 08 that will not be on the PC, I doubt the numbers will be anymore favorable to the PC stats.

The game may work for the PC, but someone that buys an Xbox360 game is going to play it on the 360, because they have a 360 that has the right specs for the game to run flawlessly. The percentage of those that will play it on the PC is very small. As far as I know, the only games that are double compatible are 1st party Microsoft games, because MS has a computer gaming division. It saves them money from having to release two formats of the same game, a cost cutting move. Systems were build on the PC model to beat PCs which they have successfully done.

The Gaming market is still heavily single player, the FPS genre is the one that had been geared mostly towards multiplayer with the slowly decaying fighting genre in pursuit.

Essentially its the computer gamers that are harming their own beloved market. pirating games isn't like downloading free music. A music artist hardly makes a dime off their record sales, the recording studio does... so even if the studio goes out of business, the artist will always be there to make more material. In the gaming world, the studio is the artist and once it dies... like many have, there is no new material.

[gokuDX7]

Console games have been beating PC games for a while now. The lead just grew, and with the blockbuster hits that are coming out in 08 that will not be on the PC, I doubt the numbers will be anymore favorable to the PC stats.

The game may work for the PC, but someone that buys an Xbox360 game is going to play it on the 360, because they have a 360 that has the right specs for the game to run flawlessly. The percentage of those that will play it on the PC is very small. As far as I know, the only games that are double compatible are 1st party Microsoft games, because MS has a computer gaming division. It saves them money from having to release two formats of the same game, a cost cutting move. Systems were build on the PC model to beat PCs which they have successfully done.

The Gaming market is still heavily single player, the FPS genre is the one that had been geared mostly towards multiplayer with the slowly decaying fighting genre in pursuit.

Essentially its the computer gamers that are harming their own beloved market. pirating games isn't like downloading free music. A music artist hardly makes a dime off their record sales, the recording studio does... so even if the studio goes out of business, the artist will always be there to make more material. In the gaming world, the studio is the artist and once it dies... like many have, there is no new material.

You bring up good points but the fact is, you will never see gaming go obsolete on PC/linux/Mac. It just wont happen, and id be willing to bet money on that. You may see less games being made but that doesn't mean it will become "obsolete" in the future.
You have thousands of open source games being made everyday from people all over the world. You also have company's of popular games like HL and Quake allowing programmers and graphics artists access to their game engines. Theres also the same company's making their games compatible for Linux and Mac now. Not to mention thousands of Linux developers all over the world that program free/paid games as well. So you can't really base the popularity of the PC only on "paid games"; where as the Consoles only sell Paid games so obviously the statistics would be higher. The topic should be changed to "Consoles Robb people of their money more then PCs".

Btw, theoretically all Xbox 360 games could be run on PC. That's why company's that make games for the Xbox normally come out with a PC version within the same month or sometimes way before (ie. all the Quake games, HL games..etc).

So I'm sticking with what I've been saying since the start, PC gameing will not go obsolete.

[Dubird]

as long as the Xbox is based on Windows technology, PC gaming will always be around. For minimual cost and effort Microsoft could release a game for both PC and Xbox to cover both groups of gamers. No other console can do that. Yes, console gaming is big and has apparently eclipsed PC gaming, but there will always be a good source of PC gamers.

[DeathscytheX]

When I say obsolete, I mean severe lacking of high budget, high production, big name games that everyone buys and plays.

Quake, Unreal Tournament, and Half-Life are starting to shift their marketing towards the console banner. They cane make big bucks not only on the game, but on professionally made map packs via PSN and XBLA. The Orange Box came out the same day for PC and 360. Then again Steam is the only financially viable platform on the PC.

Freeware games? Those are more of time killers than a source of entertainment. I've tried so many freeware games back when I didn't have a constant flow of money to put into gaming. My desperate need for new material was never satisfied.

[gokuDX7]

When I say obsolete, I mean severe lacking of high budget, high production, big name games that everyone buys and plays.

Quake, Unreal Tournament, and Half-Life are starting to shift their marketing towards the console banner. They cane make big bucks not only on the game, but on professionally made map packs via PSN and XBLA. The Orange Box came out the same day for PC and 360. Then again Steam is the only financially viable platform on the PC.

Freeware games? Those are more of time killers than a source of entertainment. I've tried so many freeware games back when I didn't have a constant flow of money to put into gaming. My desperate need for new material was never satisfied.

Then you shouldn't be using the word "obsolete" when describing PC gaming. The day it becomes obsolete would be the day they stop making graphics cards.

Have you played many free/shareware games because it seems like you haven't. They're more then just simple flash games you play using a web browser :P. There's thousands of really good games out there for free that could easily rival most of the popular paid games. Most of which are made in Korea.

Quake (id Soft) and HL have always been working towards the PC and console market. So nothing has changed there. People just notice it more now that they ported the newer Quake/Doom engine to console.

Sorry if I seem annoyed but I kinda am. You're the first person I have ever hear this nonsense from. I almost fell out of my chair in shock when I saw your post lol. It makes absolutely no sense why gaming would go obsolete, so you may want to use a different word when talking to your friends about such things or else they will think you're crazy like I do :P.

[Dubird]

baa-psh. We already think he's crazy, what else is new? XD

I do think console games are becoming bigger and PC games aren't as popular. But something occured to me this morning that you're forgetting about PC games: the free modding community. I don't know anyone that makes mods for console games. The only possible exception would be the xbox, but it's more difficult to distribute them. As long as game modders out there want to customize their games and make new modlues and maps without having to pay anyone, PC gaming will still be popular. Maybe not as much as console, but it won't become obsolete.

[DeathscytheX]

Then you shouldn't be using the word "obsolete" when describing PC gaming. The day it becomes obsolete would be the day they stop making graphics cards.

Have you played many free/shareware games because it seems like you haven't. They're more then just simple flash games you play using a web browser :P. There's thousands of really good games out there for free that could easily rival most of the popular paid games. Most of which are made in Korea.

Quake (id Soft) and HL have always been working towards the PC and console market. So nothing has changed there. People just notice it more now that they ported the newer Quake/Doom engine to console.

Sorry if I seem annoyed but I kinda am. You're the first person I have ever hear this nonsense from. I almost fell out of my chair in shock when I saw your post lol. It makes absolutely no sense why gaming would go obsolete, so you may want to use a different word when talking to your friends about such things or else they will think you're crazy like I do :P.

Lets look at some definitions of the term obsolete.

1. to make obsolete by replacing with something newer or better; antiquate.

2. Outmoded in design, style, or construction: an obsolete locomotive.

3. of a discarded or outmoded type; out of date:

4. imperfectly developed or rudimentary in comparison with the corresponding character in other individuals

These are only a few of the ways the term obsolete can be used. I think I used it for the purpose I intended it to mean. The Gamecube, N64, and Xbox, are Obsolete. People still play them, however. PC gaming may always be around, but the chance of it ever being the creme of the crop as it once was is unlikely. Its not nonsense, its statistical fact. I still play PC games, but that doesn't change anything.

[Myk JL]

baa-psh. We already think he's crazy, what else is new? XD

I do think console games are becoming bigger and PC games aren't as popular. But something occured to me this morning that you're forgetting about PC games: the free modding community. I don't know anyone that makes mods for console games. The only possible exception would be the xbox, but it's more difficult to distribute them. As long as game modders out there want to customize their games and make new modlues and maps without having to pay anyone, PC gaming will still be popular. Maybe not as much as console, but it won't become obsolete. I'm sure I knew that too, but I didn't think I was allowed to talk about it...

The modding community has some of my interest. Some mods have either become major games or inspired major games. Something that's impossible in console gaming.

Besides that console gaming can't advance much with out PC Gaming. If console gaming had to advance gaming it would only happen little by little on a 5 year basis. You wouldn't see as much difference between newer & older consoles.

[Godgrave]

I see the console gaming market as a 'trendy' business like getting a new Nike shoe even though you've got 5 others, just because you wanna fit in. I also believe it's not the game sales that are hitting both pc gaming and consoles or bringing about those figures, it's the basic console that brought out those figures. I'll explain - everyone has a laptop these days or a pc at home, kids use their parents' or sisters or brothers, but that's not the same for your Xbox's or PS's or Gamecube's/ Wii's. You have to buy the whole thing afresh. Console sales are much higher in that sense ... it has little to do with the games I feel, because look at it this way - on the street you get both pc games and consoles games pirated which means it's not accounted for in the sales figures reflected by the company analysts, which ALSO means that you cannot use that as a standard of measure to account for anything <-- simple business logic that I'm using. All in all, it's an unfair analysis for both mediums. But, that's just my ungaming thought flow process X'D ...

[Kiteoto]

Tsk--I love PC gaming so much more. I'd just as soon drop 2k and build a fully wicked gaming PC that will play games that come out in the 360 AND the Ps3, rather than drop about 1k for either the 360 or the PS3, and then lose stuff that is other wise exclusive to the other. IE: PS3 owners will never get a shot to play BioShock, while PC will be able to pick it up and smirk their way to the undersea bank. I've also heard that Prototype(something I'm lusting after) will be a Ps3 & PC only, nothing for the 360, and this game is going to be obscenely wicked. Not sure how accurate that info is, but you never know. There's also PC only stuff that, in all honesty, blows the shit out of anything on the Ps3/360. Personally, I don't think any console will ever put out anything like Neverwinter Nights. Neverwinter, to me, is the best MMO I've ever seen..especially since individuals can create and run their own servers. The closest thing I've seen to this was .hack//FRAGMENT, something I wish that Japan would have ported outside their boarders...'cause if they would have sales would have been so epic that the game would still be operating.

In case you haven't heard about .hack//FRAGMENT, it was huge..an actual .hack MMORPG, and it merged together your Ps2 with your PC in a fully epic way. On the PC you could build your own dungeons, custom maps, custom monsters, background music, EVERYTHING was customizable, and then you set up your keywords--and uploaded it to the system, allow any other play access to your Dungeon, or you could place a password on it and make it something private for just you and your friends. Then you could head over to your Ps2, log on, and take part in the game, just like you would Monster Hunter or Phantasy Star Online...I just don't see why this game didn't take off in Japan, .hack//SIGN is EXTREMELY successful, and I know it has a huge fanbase in the States--I don't understand why they didn't port it and allow the servers to really fill up. The idea of being able to combine PC and Console gaming--that's what I think the industry is REALLY heading, not to the eventual out-doing of the other side, but rather a beautiful union, combining the strengths of both(ie: using the PC for map creation/customization/ect.) and allowing the more streamlined interface of the Console to create a wonderful playing environment. As long as someone is willing to hook up a keyboard to their PS3/360/Wii, (hopefully via wireless connection) I don't see why communication would be hurt either.. personally I would love to see a Neverwinter port to all three consoles(obviously taking graphics into consideration on each, downgrading where needed, and writing custom interface for the wii, of course) As epic as that would be to crate--I think that the sales would be equally massive.

Just think on that..an mmo, with a full off line campaign(and unlimited downloadable Mods to play through as well) full of DnD level customization, and people being able to run their own servers, make their own haks, mods, all of the open development that we could create on the PC and upload to make available for enjoyment on the console! If you want a sample of how much downloadable content head here (http://nwvault.ign.com/static.php?page=Hall_OF_Fame) and type hak or mod into the search, or anything really--assuming your familiar with Morrowind and all the mods made available for that--it's on that scale, if not larger due to the ability to play online.

PC and Console NEED to merge like this..even if it's not the Neverwinter franchise--something like this needs to be brought about, hopefully without a monthly fee, and without any download fees--seeing as up to now on similar PC only games the content is 100% free.

Opinions?

[Dubird]

the only problem with merging PC and console gaming is that when advances happen, it tends to leave the consoles behind....for example, FFXI. FFXI is mainly on PC, but is ported to PS2, Xbox 360, and now PS3 (i think). There have been many advances on graphics that the company and the players want to make happen, but they have to really program down for the PS2 to keep up. PCs can upgrade. Xbox 360 still has room to upgrade. The PS2 does not. So while merging PC and console games, espically MMOs, is a great idea, it's limited for expansion of technology (but not content).

[DeathscytheX]

I've actually always wanted cross platform online gaming, not just from computers to consoles but from consoles to consoles... thats a bit of a stretch sadly.

Actually one of the much talked about plans for this generation, was modding... at least for a while. However I don't see that happening until maybe next gen. Though It's very much possible with system updates. Maybe not so much for the Wii, but the PS3 and 360 most definitely. Eventually console gaming will have every ability that PC's have and possibly more. Either people refuse to see it or don't want to believe it. Just like no one thought Sega would go from a console juggernaut to a sub par game developer.

Freeware this and free that. Its about $$$. One of my favorite Mods for half-life, Sven Co-op, has been out of development for two years now after a promised bronze, silver, and gold pack before the jump to the steam engine. The dude had to get a real job and hasn't had time to work on it anymore since. I pretty much lost faith that it will ever advance beyond what it is now.

[Kiteoto]

@Dubu:: I get that, but why not rig it up so that the Wii runs the game on the low end graphics, and the other two run it on the high? I mean, if we can alter the settings on the computer, why not passively do it for the consoles?

@DX: I really disagree--freeware development can dicate rather or not a game is worth getting or not.

[Myk JL]

the only problem with merging PC and console gaming is that when advances happen, it tends to leave the consoles behind....for example, FFXI. FFXI is mainly on PC, but is ported to PS2, Xbox 360, and now PS3 (i think). There have been many advances on graphics that the company and the players want to make happen, but they have to really program down for the PS2 to keep up. PCs can upgrade. Xbox 360 still has room to upgrade. The PS2 does not. So while merging PC and console games, espically MMOs, is a great idea, it's limited for expansion of technology (but not content). Exactly. That & you can't upgrade a consoles hardware. If you could do that you might as well get a PC. PC gaming is needed for advancement of all gaming. With out that everything would really be downgraded.

[Dubird]

at this point in time, they're really both needed. Console gaming pushes the boundries on what you can do with games, plus gives the computer-illiterate a way to play games they might not be able to figure out otherwise. But PC gaming constantly pushes the technology forward, forcing consoles to improve. The only problem with that is that the years between next gen consoles is getting shorter. Think about it, the SNES had games being made for it for almost 10 years. The first Xbox and the Xbox 360 had 4 years between them, and there's not many games that are made avalible for the original Xbox. With the time between console upgrades shrinking, you'll drop far more money into console gaming. Whereas with a PC, you can upgrade just your video card. Or add more memory. Your costs will be less overall, and they'll be spread out over time instead of in one lump sum.

[Gundam-Ranger-X]

I think you are all crazy... except for Dubird. She brings up a good point about the length of time between console generations.

[DeathscytheX]

Well, you have to take into account that the Xbox was a flop. The PS2 smashed it into the ground. It had a six year run. MS had to rethink their strategy and were forced to come out with a new console very early. N64 and Cube had about 5 year runs, both consoles struggled.

This generation has reached a high point that has never been seen. I'd give it 6 years minimum. PS3's full power has yet to be tapped, and with Nintendo's supposed disinterest in system specs, Wii should last the longest of all... theoretically speaking. XBLA continues to evolve as well. Systems that can update their own software, game add-ons, Emulation, and other things are new to consoles that were once identified as PC exclusive. The goal is to increase the life of the machine. These companies take a large financial hit on their hardware in hopes to make it up in software sales. As we know, they sell them below the cost of manufacturing, and not to mention the costs it takes to invent the new machine.

It will be interesting to see how long they will last this time.

[Dubird]

i wouldn't say the Xbox is a flop. With the ability to mod and upgrade it yourself, it did a great job for a first gen console. I still want a modded one myself. I don't know how modable the 360 is, so I can't comment on that. But the original Xbox basicly was a console for PC gamers.

And I wouldn't say 6 years minimum for the newest consoles. Technology is improving much faster now than it was in the past. I would say about 3-4 years to reach their peak, then new consoles will be released that push the bounderies again. And that time will be less unless you can upgrade it yourself. By upgrading it yourself, you'll get more years out of it before it becomes obsolete.



And GRX, I find that insulting. I'm just as crazy as everyone else here. I'm just better at hiding it. XD

[gokuDX7]

DX, you forget that all these console makers don't like the idea of open source or giving their users the ability to use their system the way they want to. Have you ever tried to mod your PS3/xbox360/Wii or add any hardware in it? It's no easy task. You can't simply add a faster DVD/Blue-Ray drive or a new Hard Drive in either. Which is gay for Wii people that fill up it's non-expandable memory with roms or Xbox360 people that see their systems overheat because the heat sink is shit or their DVD drive is overworking its self. These company's pride them selves on making money, so you wont ever see a console being as open as a PC. So as much as you want to claim consoles will offer everything a PC has and more, the simple fact is, they wont. Company's will still continue to make games for both PC and for console since they know they will make more money that way. Theres no reason why they wouldn't.

..and I still don't agree with how you use Obsolete. The PC game market is not outdated.

Dubird pointed out allot more reasons too. So I'm pretty sure you're in your own little dream world DX lol.

[DeathscytheX]

i wouldn't say the Xbox is a flop. With the ability to mod and upgrade it yourself, it did a great job for a first gen console. I still want a modded one myself. I don't know how modable the 360 is, so I can't comment on that. But the original Xbox basicly was a console for PC gamers.

And I wouldn't say 6 years minimum for the newest consoles. Technology is improving much faster now than it was in the past. I would say about 3-4 years to reach their peak, then new consoles will be released that push the bounderies again. And that time will be less unless you can upgrade it yourself. By upgrading it yourself, you'll get more years out of it before it becomes obsolete.



And GRX, I find that insulting. I'm just as crazy as everyone else here. I'm just better at hiding it. XD

But the full power of the cell processor, the presumed most advanced chip available has yet to be pushed to its maximum. I don't see a reason Wii would need to upgrade in such a short span, unless Nintendo truely is a hypocrite.

Xbox failed to gain 3rd party support, especially from Japanese developers. It came out last and died first. There is no doubt in my mind that if Microsoft was not the company that produced the system, there never would have been a 360, Xbox would have been another Goldstar 3DO. It may be modded, but its a peice of crap hardware wise, and the problems carried over to the 360 as I found out when I purchased mine and had to return it for a new one. Although I hear the new motherboard MS uses has corrected most of the crashing issues.

I heard a bunch of talk about region free gaming, just doing some brief looking up right now, it seems that PS3 and 360 games are region free for the most part. I'm not really one to care as I am not big in import gaming.

DX, you forget that all these console makers don't like the idea of open source or giving their users the ability to use their system the way they want to. Have you ever tried to mod your PS3/xbox360/Wii or add any hardware in it? It's no easy task. You can't simply add a faster DVD/Blue-Ray drive or a new Hard Drive in either. Which is gay for Wii people that fill up it's non-expandable memory with roms or Xbox360 people that see their systems overheat because the heat sink is shit or their DVD drive is overworking its self. These company's pride them selves on making money, so you wont ever see a console being as open as a PC. So as much as you want to claim consoles will offer everything a PC has and more, the simple fact is, they wont. Company's will still continue to make games for both PC and for console since they know they will make more money that way. Theres no reason why they wouldn't.

..and I still don't agree with how you use Obsolete. The PC game market is not outdated.

Dubird pointed out allot more reasons too. So I'm pretty sure you're in your own little dream world DX lol.

uuuuuuuuuuuh, yes you can add a hard drive, I'm not the one in the dream world here. In fact you can easily upgrade the Xbox360 hard drive, and have many of them. It takes all of 3 seconds to pop it on and off. Nintendo? Pfft What did you really expect from them? Yes the companies do pride themselves on making money. I think I have stated that only a million times, that is why they are successful. :)

[Kiteoto]

-blink blink blink- did I seriously see..yup....

DeathscytheX[/COLOR] (http://forums.ancientclan.com/member.php?u=4)"]These companies take a large financial hit on their hardware in hopes to make it up in software sales. As we know, they sell them below the cost of manufacturing, and not to mention the costs it takes to invent the new machine.

..dude..it takes WAY less to manufacture a Wii...


How much does the Wii really cost?

According to leaked documentation from Nintendo distributors the Wii only costs US $ 158.30 to make.

Graphic chip 29.60
CPU 13.00
DRAM 7.80
Optical disk drive 31.00
Power supply 11.30
Manufacturing cost 19.50

Cost total 158.30
Wholesale price 249.99

Meaning on the first few days of sales Nintendo profited around 80 million dollars.

Source (http://www.mywii.com.au/NewsDetail.aspx?id=153)

So uh...you were probably only really thinking about the 360/Ps3, but you have to remember, the Wii is outselling everything else, and in my opinion it's kicking out the best games--since most of what comes out on Ps3/360, you can just get for your PC...so...

PC gamers 1 -- Ps3/360 owners: 0

....and Nintendo 80million.. xD

[Dubird]

But the full power of the cell processor, the presumed most advanced chip available has yet to be pushed to its maximum. I don't see a reason Wii would need to upgrade in such a short span, unless Nintendo truely is a hypocrite.

Xbox failed to gain 3rd party support, especially from Japanese developers. It came out last and died first. There is no doubt in my mind that if Microsoft was not the company that produced the system, there never would have been a 360, Xbox would have been another Goldstar 3DO. It may be modded, but its a peice of crap hardware wise, and the problems carried over to the 360 as I found out when I purchased mine and had to return it for a new one. Although I hear the new motherboard MS uses has corrected most of the crashing issues.


At the moment, yes. Development on better processors seems to have hit a little plateu. At least, I haven't heard about any new processors in a little while. But technology is still being expanded and continues to do so at an accallerated rate. Why do you think PC owners (ok, the ones that build their own) upgrade so often? My first PC i bought in 1995 and it didn't become obsolete for about 3-4 years. Now, when you buy a PC, it's obsolete before a year is up because something new will be released. At the moment, the Wii and other consoles are not reaching their potential and PCs have time to catch up. That will change, and I think it'll happen sooner then you think. That's why I give them all an average of 3 years before a next gen console is at the least being in a testing phase. And then the whole process starts over again. Eventually, consoles will have to be made as open hardware to keep up with new technology, and then the only thing seperating it from a PC will be the OS and what it can do.

[DeathscytheX]

-blink blink blink- did I seriously see..yup....



..dude..it takes WAY less to manufacture a Wii...



Source (http://www.mywii.com.au/NewsDetail.aspx?id=153)

So uh...you were probably only really thinking about the 360/Ps3, but you have to remember, the Wii is outselling everything else, and in my opinion it's kicking out the best games--since most of what comes out on Ps3/360, you can just get for your PC...so...

PC gamers 1 -- Ps3/360 owners: 0

....and Nintendo 80million.. xD


I was only referring to the PS3 and 360. I know 5 people that own Wiis. they are all collecting dust on their entertainment center. Wii has some good games, just like gamecube had some good games. But not enough. Wii isn't consistently winning the monthly sales anymore and at the end of this year, it wont be at all. They'll make a good push during the Smash launch, but the box will climb to the top again. Thats why best buy, and game stop has a full supply of used Wii consoles around here. You can try to tell me different, but you wont convince me. I won't continue that argument because it probably won't end like this one.


Back to the original topic of this post, software sales for consoles are outrageously more than PC, so does it really matter? Define "most" because I can go down a list and pull plenty of games you cannot get on PC. Sure every Sports game, FPS, and some racing games can be found on PC, along with most titles that receive horrid ratings.

Really though, you can call me delusional all you wish. I heard it all a few years back, how PC gaming was so superior and consoles would never surpass the PC gaming world, Consoles will never have online abilities, consoles will never have better graphics, consoles wont have this, or that.... now they do. What else will they do that apparently people swear they wont do? Time will only tell. I just put up numbers that are non debatable.

Thats all i can really say, I've been in a "dream world" for the last decade I guess.

[Dubird]

I'm not saying consoles aren't surpasing PC right now. I'm just saying don't write off PC gaming. It'll take hits, espically when three giants put out new consoles around the same time, but it'll even out again. It's not going away.

[Myk JL]

Really though, you can call me delusional all you wish. Don't do it... it's a trick... First time I did that he got mad, locked his own thread, & sent me a message via karma... Then when I sent one back via karma he acted like I rated his karma first via PM...

I'm not saying consoles aren't surpasing PC right now. I'm just saying don't write off PC gaming. It'll take hits, espically when three giants put out new consoles around the same time, but it'll even out again. It's not going away. Agreed.

[DeathscytheX]

Don't do it... it's a trick... First time I did that he got mad, locked his own thread, & sent me a message via karma... Then when I sent one back via karma he acted like I rated his karma first via PM...


OH SNAP! Yous got punished like a bad boy. :cry: Everyone should feel sorry for you. You gonna keep whining about it in every post you make? You're unlikely to obtain any pity, and more likely to get in more trouble. :)

[Myk JL]

OH SNAP! Yous got punished like a bad boy. :cry: Everyone should feel sorry for you. You gonna keep whining about it in every post you make? You're unlikely to obtain any pity, and more likely to get in more trouble. :) I was joking. You can't take a joke? Seriously though I'm not going to take anything you say serious when you insult me. Although when I do point it out you might state something like you didn't mean it & it was intended so I'd flame you.

I'm not looking for pity. If I was it make more sense to go to a different forum to complain constantly about that than here. If fact I thought it was fun. And I want to have some more fun.

But that would really go off topic. So maybe you should stick to the topic you made. I don't want to be blamed if you lock your own thread.

PC Gaming will be around as long as their is PCs.

[gokuDX7]

Myk JL (http://forums.ancientclan.com/member.php?u=1715) no point in continuing now, once DX gets his mind set theres no changing it no matter how wrong he is lol. That's why I stopped posting.

[Myk JL]

Myk JL (http://forums.ancientclan.com/member.php?u=1715) no point in continuing now, once DX gets his mind set theres no changing it no matter how wrong he is lol. That's why I stopped posting. Sadly to say you're 100% right.

[DeathscytheX]

I was joking. You can't take a joke? Seriously though I'm not going to take anything you say serious when you insult me. Although when I do point it out you might state something like you didn't mean it & it was intended so I'd flame you.


So you once again admit to purposely violating the TOS?

A joke? Your really wearing it out aren't you? :flush: It seems to be the only one you have. Either its a pity party, or you severely need some new material. If you think complaining about how your rep got docked is fun, I believe you need a new hobby. You wont be having anymore "fun" such as that, because I will personally remove any more whining about disciplinary action from your posts, if not delete the entire reply. It doesn't matter to me if you think I'm serious or not. http://forums.ancientclan.com/images/icons/regular/freak.gif

[Ladywriter]

fight nice yo:p
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/ka_baby_19/opfightyl7.gif

[Godgrave]

fight nice yo:p
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/ka_baby_19/opfightyl7.gifHahaha :lol:

[Ladywriter]

some days I feel like Luffy... other days I'm havin the Chopper moment X'D

[Godgrave]

I wish my hair was marimo permanently.

[gokuDX7]

http://www.bit-tech.net/columns/2008/02/02/the_sky_is_falling/1

basically sums up most of the things we've been trying to say to DX lol.

[Myk JL]

http://www.bit-tech.net/columns/2008/02/02/the_sky_is_falling/1

basically sums up most of the things we've been trying to say to DX lol. Very agreeable. Only thing it didn't state is that today's console will be obsolete once replaced & PC Gaming will still be around.

Obsolete as in no one will be making Video Games for Xbox 360, PS3, Wii come 2013 or sooner.