Gundam 00

[Godgrave]

We've had preliminary threads on the previews and trailers and such. Now with the anime released, discuss all matters here, theories or facts, love or hate, war or peace, ice cream or cake, chocolate banana mouse or triple strawberry cheesecake *gets violently hit by Strider* ... -__- gomen *stops*

Hmmm ... the first episode showed Gundam's as super powerful against their next best competitor which sorta makes me wonder, are they going to have some of them stolen like Seed X'D and then have equal battles? It's TOO early to assume that, gomen, but just a thought. That Gundam exhaust wing pattern's huge ne o_0 ...

[EVA-01]

It's SEED/Wing all over again. I swear this one Gundam it had a caption of is the RX-78-2 of 00.

[Myk JL]

It just started & it's already starting to suck?... Why am I not surprised.

[Strider Hiryu]

Sadly it failed to impress me with the first episode. It seems we're recycling the whole "Gundams are super-powerful, everything else pails in comparison" formula from Wing (and possibly SEED, can't comment on it since I dropped SEED at episode 10 and didn't watch Destiny). Characters are somewhat bland outside of Lockon (yes I know, I mocked him earlier but I actually like his character. He seems pretty damn cool) and his Haro.

Gundam designs kinda suck. Exia looks alright and Kyrios (sp?) is pretty tight (have always had a thing for transformable Gundams hence why I love the Zeta Gundam). Virtue is too damn bulky and I don't like the design overall. Lockon's Gundam (I know the name, just don't want to butcher the spelling), though I like the concept of a long-range purpose Gundam, is rather lacking.

Story has an interesting premise though I'm not all for this whole "We're going to stop all war with our awesome military might" crap Celestial Being is spouting. I do like how we're not recycling the whole Earth vs. Space Colonies plot though. The whole three factions on Earth thing seems like a pretty good concept, lets hope they don't fuck it up by destroying it.

Overall it's not a bad start. At this moment I don't think I'll continue watching it beyond episode 4 (which if it doesn't grab my attention or make me want to see more I'm going to drop it). I just feel it's lacking what made the original Gundam so awesome.

o.o I'll take some of that cheesecake there GG, sounds really good right about now.

[gokuDX7]

I thought it was a great start. I was sick of the same re-made gundam story's over and over again "Kill the space colonies, kill the earth, kill the new battle ship bla bla bla newtypes/old types/bla bla bla". I love how the story is really focusing more on current events and what the world would be like in the future in our own time line. It's kind of ironic though, that the US uses solar power for their mecha lol.

As for the gundams, I didn't like the designs when I saw it on the site and I still don't like them in the show. The mecha design isn't traditional at all and it makes me feel like I'm watching something else. But I'm happy the Gundams are not stupidly powerfully like wing. You can definitly see each one has its own weakness. For example Exia (the melee gundam) has a horrible time dealing with more then a few mecha in air. Lockon had to help out a bit but you can tell if a melee mecha got near him he would have been screwed as well since he has to set him self up to snipe at long distances. I think the first ep was mainly to show what the gundams where capable of thats why some of you feel they where "Super strong". Give it some time before jumping to conclusions.

Also It should get even more interesting now that the whole world could possibly be targeting them as potential enemy's.

[Strider Hiryu]

I think it's set up that way goku. I highly doubt they'd have them declare what they did at the start if they didn't plan on having the AEU, Union, and that other faction (name escapes me at the moment) going after Celestial Being from the get go. Seriously making that kind of statement is bound to rub the higher ups in each group the wrong way.

I'll stick by my statement that we're recycling Wing's Gundam formula. True they're each good at one thing or one set of things (Exia = Melee, Dynames (sp?) = Long-range support, Virtue = Artillery/Heavy Gunner, and Kyrios = Flexibility/Air-support/etc), hence why they're teamed up (Setsuna/Lockon for melee/ranged offensives and Virtue/Kyrios for flexibility/artillery (though I suspect they do variations of this throughout the show)), but still something rubs me the wrong way by how easily they can get by (true, they use a whole different system for moving (GN Particle (Minovsky rip-off maybe?)). Call me bias or quick to judge but thats the feel I get from the first episode, it just seems to be the new formula for Gundam since Tomino stepped down (yes I'm biased toward his works, he's the original creator so his shows will always be far superior to the new ones in my book).

Like I said I won't judge it till we're four episodes in (which is my cut-off for anime, if I'm not interested by then I won't get interested). If this fails to keep to my expectations then the new Macross definitely will (there has yet to be a Macross that I haven't liked, again probably because of the whole transforming thing).

[gokuDX7]

I think it's set up that way goku. I highly doubt they'd have them declare what they did at the start if they didn't plan on having the AEU, Union, and that other faction (name escapes me at the moment) going after Celestial Being from the get go. Seriously making that kind of statement is bound to rub the higher ups in each group the wrong way.

I'll stick by my statement that we're recycling Wing's Gundam formula. True they're each good at one thing or one set of things (Exia = Melee, Dynames (sp?) = Long-range support, Virtue = Artillery/Heavy Gunner, and Kyrios = Flexibility/Air-support/etc), hence why they're teamed up (Setsuna/Lockon for melee/ranged offensives and Virtue/Kyrios for flexibility/artillery (though I suspect they do variations of this throughout the show)), but still something rubs me the wrong way by how easily they can get by (true, they use a whole different system for moving (GN Particle (Minovsky rip-off maybe?)). Call me bias or quick to judge but thats the feel I get from the first episode, it just seems to be the new formula for Gundam since Tomino stepped down (yes I'm biased toward his works, he's the original creator so his shows will always be far superior to the new ones in my book).

Like I said I won't judge it till we're four episodes in (which is my cut-off for anime, if I'm not interested by then I won't get interested). If this fails to keep to my expectations then the new Macross definitely will (there has yet to be a Macross that I haven't liked, again probably because of the whole transforming thing).

ya its set up that way so we have a plot :P.

not intending to be an ass or anything but you say your not bias yet you're already comparing and shooting it down and it's only been the first ep lol. I don't see how this is comparable to Wing and I wont be planning on trying to compare the two till the show is more then halfway done. I don't want to cloud my opinion with this from crappy other series.

[Strider Hiryu]

goku it's my personality. When it comes to Gundam I have the problem of comparing new ones to older ones, it's got nothing to do with bias. I hold Gundam up an a pretty high pillar and as such I'm a hard ass when it comes to the series. Once I notice similarities to others or notice a formula being recycled I start bad mouthing it. It's a bad habit of mine that probably won't change. I have high hopes for Gundam 00, which have yet to be reached. Every other Gundam I've watched has been able to hook me on the first episode (Wing, SEED, Destiny, and G Gundam being exceptions) so I expect others to do the same. In my eyes Gundam 00 will not reach these expectations however should it in the next three episodes you'll be damned sure that I'll be talking nothing but good things about it.

Like I said, it's my warped personality and my inner fanboy talking. Like I said when it comes to Gundam you'll see me get very nasty about my opinion on it if it doesn't interest me.

On a side note you don't sound like an ass, it's your opinion of my words (which I do agree they sound pretty bias, even if I'm not being bias).

[Myk JL]

I'd rather be bias than bi-ass... What a downer that there will never be another good UC show in a long time. I don't see the amazement in 00 having various Gundams that do different things. Come on that's just the same thing 00 has in common with Wing & Seed.

[gokuDX7]

goku it's my personality. When it comes to Gundam I have the problem of comparing new ones to older ones, it's got nothing to do with bias. I hold Gundam up an a pretty high pillar and as such I'm a hard ass when it comes to the series. Once I notice similarities to others or notice a formula being recycled I start bad mouthing it. It's a bad habit of mine that probably won't change. I have high hopes for Gundam 00, which have yet to be reached. Every other Gundam I've watched has been able to hook me on the first episode (Wing, SEED, Destiny, and G Gundam being exceptions) so I expect others to do the same. In my eyes Gundam 00 will not reach these expectations however should it in the next three episodes you'll be damned sure that I'll be talking nothing but good things about it.

Like I said, it's my warped personality and my inner fanboy talking. Like I said when it comes to Gundam you'll see me get very nasty about my opinion on it if it doesn't interest me.

On a side note you don't sound like an ass, it's your opinion of my words (which I do agree they sound pretty bias, even if I'm not being bias).

Ic, from that way you where talking about 00 it sounded like you had already made your mind up that the show sucked lol.I too have high hopes and expectations for this series, that's why it saddens me when people automatically diss it before we even know whats going on (MAL discussions). I hope it's as good as the original gundam but even if it isn't I'll still be happy if it turns out better then Seed. I plan to watch it till the end anyway.

[Eppy]

I plan to watch it till the end anyway.

just so you dont fall any further from my ranking on MAL huh ....i see how it is :P *cough*

[gokuDX7]

just so you dont fall any further from my ranking on MAL huh ....i see how it is :P *cough*

I'm only like a few hundred shows away from you :(.

[Godgrave]

... and, I'm a couple hundred behind you, goku X'D

2 episodes out, they showcase more Gundams, and a bit more on characteristics of the pilots. Why can't you have a normal pilot behind that machine?!!?!? Why does everyone or the main character HAVE to have issues X'D ... just typing out loud hehe, don't take me seriously.

[gokuDX7]

ya, I liked this ep a bit more then the last.

Eppy's theory of the Gundams acting as the bad guys in order to unite earth is starting to seem more and more plausible.

[Godgrave]

Hehe, it looked that way right from the start actually. Gundam vs The World ... still unfair X'D.

[Strider Hiryu]

They basically proved Epples theory in the first ep with Celestial Being's statement at the end of that ep and they reaffirmed it in the second episode.

Last episode was alright. They're moving a little to slow for my tastes and I still think something is missing (this show just doesn't feel right for a Gundam show). Can't find anything to hate at the moment and the ep had a good amount of back story on Setsuna at least (or more then we already know). I still stick to my comment on the GW Gundam theory, seriously they're making everything else in the series look extremely bad (I don't care how much more advanced the Gundams are in respect to the other suits, it looks like a freaking cakewalk for the Meisters).\

About the only thing keeping my interest in Gundam 00 at the moment is my overwhelming curiosity of the science behind GN Particles (I'm a tech and science nerd so these GN particles are quite interesting). I want to know more about what they are and how they work in respect to the GN Drives on the Gundams.

[EVA-01]

So far I'm not that into it, but I'm still watching, hopefully I'll like it more as it goes on. But they're going in the SEED direction by giving Excia, Excia Avalanche... Though, Astraea has a fairly badass design.

[gokuDX7]

hmmm I liked the latest ep all the way up to the part where they ripped off newtypes....why did they have to add in the damn "omg I sense you lets fight" thing. I guess eppy was right, they have to add in something like that to all Gundam series just like how they add Haro lol..

[minion_general]

i've seen some of the eps. and for the most part they're good, could be better, but still.

[Godgrave]

I'm up to episode 8 I think, will continue to watch after my post here till 12 ... but, the balance may just be right. Good mobile suits piloted by people with issues vs decent mobile suits piloted by people with (maybe) better skill. What's with the whole brain wave thing, Zeta anyone? Virtue's ability is so ... massive yet the big flaw is the time gap between it's attack and a possible counter attack measure, if they spread out in an attack against the Virtue, they could get it from behind, unless there's a trick to that they haven't shown us yet! Kyrios's beam gun too has a slightly higher recovery time ...

[gokuDX7]

What's with the whole brain wave thing, Zeta anyone?

also *cough* the brothers from Gundam X *cough* *cough* Gundam Seed's genetic research Bull Shit *cough*. Ya that's probably the only thing I've hated so far about the series since its a rip off of past series. Other then that I stick by my word, this has been very original and has a healthy mixture of both political and realistic fighting (with the exception of the overpowered Virtue Gundam that can basically prevent any kind of attack and kill just about any kind of suit :P). Godgrave, you will see what I mean in the next few eps when it sheds its armor. That Gundam uses mad hacks dude. Theres basicly no point in having any other Gundams lol.

I also think the pilot is a cyborg but we wont know for another episode or two

[Godgrave]

Shite, seriously. They picked on it's weakness and when it began shedding it's armor I thought it was like a self-destruct mode he'd set, but NO! There had to be more! But, it'd be interesting to see the Flag units + HFL units with that cyborg girl + Setsuna's old leader come under one roof to battle the Gundams ... collectively faced, the Gundams face to lose me thinks unless there's MUCH more to them than what already meets the eye hahaha X'D.

We're half way through ... 24 episodes.

[gokuDX7]

Shite, seriously. They picked on it's weakness and when it began shedding it's armor I thought it was like a self-destruct mode he'd set, but NO! There had to be more! But, it'd be interesting to see the Flag units + HFL units with that cyborg girl + Setsuna's old leader come under one roof to battle the Gundams ... collectively faced, the Gundams face to lose me thinks unless there's MUCH more to them than what already meets the eye hahaha X'D.

We're half way through ... 24 episodes.

The girl that fights on the enemy side is not a cyborg XD. Although she seems it. You will find out more in the next few episodes when they start building character development.

PS. Looks like 3 Gundam 00 side story's just started coming out. Gundam 00V, Gundam 00P, and Gundam 00F...I think I got the letters right. All three have different time settings, one takes place in the future after the Gundam 00 series, another takes place before and shows allot of prototyple's for the first Gundams and mechas and the other one runs during the same time as Gundam 00's story line.
Image:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc44/ahu007/OO76.jpg

Cant wait till people start translating.

[minion_general]

just finished episode 13 and will admit that it is a ripoff of the other gundam. i also heard that the first season is only 13 eps long. not saying it is but thats what i heard.

goto Gundam00episodes.com to see up to current ep.

i found this to be a good mecha profile site.
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/

[Strider Hiryu]

First season is 25 eps long, not 13. I have yet to notice any real ripoffs of any Gundam shows yet.

I must say I'm rather impressed with 00, it's actually got me interested. I only wish character development would move faster.

[gokuDX7]

the only ripoff so far would be the mind communication (its been done in several diffrent gundam series, more notably in Gundam X) and genetic engineering (Gundam Seed and a few other series touched on this topic). Everything else so far has been refreshingly unique and surprisingly nice to watch. I look forward to new Gundam 00 eps and the new side story's that are out.

[minion_general]

ok Strider i was wrong, but i cant wait untill the rest of the season comes out. between Gundam00episodes.com and veoh i've seen all that are out so far.

[aqu]

the plot armor is too thick. no way anything stands up to 12 hours of missile and artillery barrages.

[minion_general]

I agree, and those new suits sooo cool!

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/ click Gundam 00

[Strider Hiryu]

Why do I get the feeling the Trinity is going to ruin this series? We just had to add three more Gundams didn't we? Four was bad enough and now three more, gah. What happened to the days when only one Gundam was needed? On top of this these Gundams seem just a tad bit overpowered in my opinion.

[gokuDX7]

Why do I get the feeling the Trinity is going to ruin this series? We just had to add three more Gundams didn't we? Four was bad enough and now three more, gah. What happened to the days when only one Gundam was needed? On top of this these Gundams seem just a tad bit overpowered in my opinion.

ya, I was thinking the same exact thing. You can see my displeasure on the MAL thread (http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=11989#msg453400) for the latest episode.

It feels like their trying to please the wide range of Gundams fans right now,
girl fans get sexy male pilots, old school Gundam fans got the whole in depth war story and semi realistic Gundams, and now we have the over powered Gundams to please the newer Gundam Wing/Gundam Seed fans. It pisses me off.

[Strider Hiryu]

I read your displeasure with the ep after watching it myself (I tend to read the new ep discussions, I just don't participate anymore). About the only redeeming quality 00 has now is the awesome new Opening it has (god I love that song).

I might be going out on a limb here but I see the Trinity being the new bad guy on the block soon. Chock it up to the crimson GN particles or just my sneaking suspicion but I highly doubt they're here to work with our current Meisters. The way the older "brother" talked (Johan I think is his name, really didn't care to memorize his name) at the end of the episode makes it seem they have nothing to do with Celestial Being, that they were just there because whoever commands them wanted them to help Celestial Being in that fight. Plus the way the Observers were talking there makes me think the "Thrones" are not part of Celestial Being because they cannot account for the three solar engines used within and the fact that they had no idea (when they are supposedly Celestial Beings eyes and ears) makes me think this also.

True Veda could be withholding this information and only supplying info on a need to know basis (which someone brought up in that discussion) but I highly doubt it would keep something like this from Sumeragi, who is the main tactician for Celestial Being's missions and is one of the main reasons Celestial Being's plans work out (I'm sorry but her plans are what does it, as much as I love seeing Gundams underpowered like they should be the four "main" Gundams could not get through some of the shit they are without Sumeragi's well laid plans).

Then again this series confuses the hell out of me with it's major plot twists. The only reason I'm still watching is to find out more about these solar engines and GN particles (as I said I'm a tech/science geek and this just astounds me) as well as to learn more of Lockon's past (as much as I mocked his name to begin with he's turned out to be my favorite character from the show). The rest is moot in my opinion. If this continues on as it is I'll be dropping it after the first season is done.

[Clowtrigger]

Strider, the main problem with this show is that it is built as a 50 ep. series split into two, rather than 2 separate seasons. The buildup is going to take some time...because the story extends into the next season unlike Gundam SEED and SEED Destiny which were very sloppily planned. The answers to the questions you are raising are most likely plot for the next season.... Plus the Director is quite skilled at making these gambles, He's not going to goof off like Fukuda did.


And as far as I am concerned, The trinity siblings are not going to be in good terms with the main characters... as evidenced not only by the OP2 video, but also by spoilers of future episodes. Besides, a thing that is good about this show is that it seems to surprise alot of people when people count it out.

[Strider Hiryu]

Doesn't really matter how they base the series, they should still be giving us background info on everything to fill us in. I'm sorry but I don't like series that withhold information like this.

What I meant by dropping the series when season 1 is done is based on the "Throne" Gundams and their pilots. This is really something that is not needed in the series. It had enough political intrigue and story to keep itself going without needing to introduce three new Gundams. They're adding more crap to explain in an already congested story. They're basically writing themselves into the grave with this because now they have three more Gundams to explain, three more character back stories to go into, and go into detail about what organization they work for or why they're held secret from the rest of Celestial Being. I normally like how this director thinks but he's digging himself into a hole he might not be able to dig himself out of with all this extra information he's adding into this (you gotta remember we still don't know why Celestial Being is doing what it's doing, they've never given us a clear explanation as to what brought all this on. Secondly we have five Gundams that have never been talked about in detail (Exia, Dynames, Kyrios, Nadheel, and Virtue. Also the original Gundam from the first ep). We also have four pilots we have very little to no back story on as well as information of the two Observers we have seen (the Chinese chick and the UN Guy) as well as a space ship crew we have no back story on as well. Plus we have three nations we have no idea how they were formed and what they are all about. We've also haven't been told the full back story on the HRL's super soldier program. I could keep going on here but I won't).

This is the main reason why I really haven't enjoyed many Gundam series outside of the UC timeline. Bandai just wants to sell models because its their main source of revenue for the Gundam franchise and as such they sell themselves short on story and character development to add in as many Gundams as they can into a series because Gundam models sell better then Grunt suit models.

[minion_general]

Why do I get the feeling the Trinity is going to ruin this series? We just had to add three more Gundams didn't we? Four was bad enough and now three more, gah. What happened to the days when only one Gundam was needed? On top of this these Gundams seem just a tad bit overpowered in my opinion.

I agree that they are overpowered and the pilots are too cocky.

If you want more info on some of the things above go to http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/ and find gundam00.

[gokuDX7]

haha wow I didn't even notice the gundam at the beginning of the series was different from Exia. I had always thought Exia saved him somehow XD. Now I'm guessing GN-000 O Gundam is somehow tied in with Veda.

I just don't like the 3 new Gundams. Even if they are bad guys it just feels like there overkill.

BTW. Throne is only told what it needs to know by Veda. Veda, I'm guessing, is simply an AI that collects all the current information around the world or what it's given, and comes up with a logical explanation or tactical mission on how to deal with the situation. So if Veda was not given enough info about the new Gundams then it only seems right that it would not be able to answer anything about them to Sumeragi. Now that the three have made an appearance, Veda is probably collecting all the info it's being given from sources and will probably come up with an explanation of why they're here.

I have several theory's why they appeared but will hold off on posting them till the next ep.

[minion_general]

I have a feeling that the Throne pilots will get to "into" their power. The units are overpowered as it is and then they can link together making a mega GN beam! Why? and the female pilot, Nena i think, she is crazy. She gets aboard CB's ship and asks for the pilot of the Exia, and when Setsuna shows up she tackles him and kisses him. What is with that? Then she asks for a tour and threatens him to not piss her off. I don't understand her. Well i do but you get my point.

[Godgrave]

I'm backed up on this ... maybe at 16 or 17. How's it faring for you guys on your own like~ness charts?

[Strider Hiryu]

Considering the new developments in ep 19 I'm beginning to like it a little more. Still disgusted with the introduction of the Thrones but I guess I can't have everything I want in a Gundam series anymore.

Lets just say as it stands right now the series is doing better on my likeness charts then G Gundam, the SEED franchise, and Gundam Wing ever did put together.

[gokuDX7]

I still have it at 9/10 on MAL but may change it depending on how the thrones pan out. To be honest I still think they should not have been added to the story but I guess it was the only way to please Seed fans :S.

[EVA-01]

Has there been a Char clone yet?

[Clowtrigger]

No... but, seriously though...

I'd like to disagree with the super-robot vibes of the Thrones. Throne Meisters are....

Bad Pilots to begin with

They're not even as good as your standard hax pilot from SEED.Because of This, when the GN-X's were introduced(standard MS with GN Tau Drives, 10 for each power block) they got seriously overpowered by, Grunts....

[Strider Hiryu]

Has there been a Char clone yet?

To my surprise, no. We have yet to meet a masked man and we've yet to meet someone with the ideals that Char had (then again Space isn't as big in this one as it has been in the past and is hardly even colonized).

Technically the GN-X suits are not grunts. They are on the same par with the Gundams. They have the Solar Furnaces (though fake) and it seems their armor is made of the same material as the Gundams (or maybe even stronger seeing as how Lockon's rifle can't penetrate their armor nor can normal beam shots, only over powered shots like Virtue GN Blaster). This is something that has really yet to be seen in a Gundam show, suits on par with Gundams. Grunt suits in the past were always outclassed by Gundams unless in the hands of superb pilots (Char, Ranba, and any other ace pilot in the past). True, some of the pilots in the GN-X's are more then superb (Graham's wingman for one, the Colonel and the White haired chick, oddly enough Patrick, and a few others) but for the most part they're normal, Grunt pilots. So actually these pilots are better then SEED Grunts and the suits are beyond anything normal.

The Thrones still give off that overpowered feel, they always will as they were suits introduced later in the series that have the same power as the Gundams (or in the case of the Thrones more power). To top it off the Thrones are not bad pilots (well except for the chick, shes pretty useless in combat). Johann and Michael are superb pilots (though the latter is somewhat insane and psychotic) and have shown their skills time and time again. Just because they've lost to Grunt suits does not make them bad pilots. If that did the Original Meisters are just as bad, having had their butts handed to them in ep 16 (and this whole they were outnumbered crap doesn't account for anything).

Is it just me or do they like kicking Saji in the balls? Man that guy has more bad luck then anyone.

[gokuDX7]

ya, I'm happy they gave everyone else the same amount of power or close to the same amount of power. I was really getting frustrated with trinity being too overpowered even though they where not as good at being pilots as the original Gundam crew. Now that everyone is basically on the same level, it makes it way more interesting and basically comes down to who's the better pilots VS who has more people.

After seeing the new GN-X's it's starting to feel like their using most of the same stuff that was in Gundam X. Which isn't bad.

[Godgrave]

Hmmm so I guess the Thrones are vulnerable to suit power outs versus our old chumps.

[Godgrave]

Trans-arm ... wtf, that's like turning Super Saiyan ... I wonder what they'll progress to once everyone has the Trans-arm ... weird.

[gokuDX7]

Exia looked like the Gundam in the first episode when he went Trans-AM mode.

[Godgrave]

Not exactly, the Gundam in the first episode had red GN particles spread out excessively like the Thrones. His suit was glowing red, that's it. Makes your wonder who piloted that old Gundam, ne? None the less, I don't seem to like this new development at all, even if it's Super Saiyan only fer the Exia, it's more than enough to take out 4-6 suits in a single battle, upon which the enemy would retreat and then another 4-6 in the next battle, and so forth ... just when it got interesting with Lockon's suit being damaged and the UN having a slight upper hand, it lasted 14-16 tele-tube minutes X'D.

[gokuDX7]

Not exactly, the Gundam in the first episode had red GN particles spread out excessively like the Thrones. His suit was glowing red, that's it. Makes your wonder who piloted that old Gundam, ne? None the less, I don't seem to like this new development at all, even if it's Super Saiyan only fer the Exia, it's more than enough to take out 4-6 suits in a single battle, upon which the enemy would retreat and then another 4-6 in the next battle, and so forth ... just when it got interesting with Lockon's suit being damaged and the UN having a slight upper hand, it lasted 14-16 tele-tube minutes X'D.

Ah I was wrong about them looking the same. I just watched the first ep again. The first gundam expelled light blueish particles from its back. It also had a small gun and shield. Exia turned pinkish red and had darker red spots show up on its shell. It also didn't expel any particles.

So I guess we where both off on that one :S.

[gokuDX7]

its good that Trans-AM has a downside to it. I'm happy the writers are trying to keep everything realistic as apposed to past series like Wing and Seed where the Gundams have no flaws and the pilots are almost robotic. If you watched the latest ep, Trans-AM uses the particles completely causing the suit to get a temporary boost. Once the particles run out the suit goes below average in speed and power.


RIP Lockon

[Godgrave]

I haven't seen it yet, I think it took a while to download plus I had to leave for work pretttttty early X'D ... that having said, somehow there's just too much going on ... they make something strong, make something up to make it weak, make up another thing to make it strong, and so forth. Be consistent X'D! Naah, I like it so far.

[Strider Hiryu]

After the last episode I officially have no reason to keep watching/watch the second season. Damn you, damn you

Yes, Lockon was the only reason I was still watching. With his death 00 lost it's only redeemable quality, Lockon's awesomeness

[EVA-01]

Is it because there is a Char clone?

...I'm still expecting one...

[Strider Hiryu]

Still no Char clone and I doubt there will be one unless it's a new character that'll be introduced in the next season (even then I doubt I'll come back unless these last two eps of this season blow my mind enough to keep me watching).

[Godgrave]

Only 2 episodes left?! Damnit.

[gokuDX7]

After the last episode I officially have no reason to keep watching/watch the second season. Damn you, damn you

Yes, Lockon was the only reason I was still watching. With his death 00 lost it's only redeemable quality, Lockon's awesomeness

You honestly don't like the show? I find it to be really interesting. It's probably going to be somewhere in my top 10 for fav Gundam series.

@Godgrave, it is consistent. After you watch the end you will understand why theres a downside to Trans-AM. Its not randomly done, it makes sense since the Gundams have to "recharge" anyway. Also think of it this way, would you want all the Gundams overpowering everyone with Trans-AM lol. That would kill the show.

[Strider Hiryu]

Sadly it has nothing of interest for me. Since the Thrones were introduced the show has really gone downhill. Frankly the show had promise pre-Thrones, now it really has nothing. The introduction of the Trans-Am system has quite frankly done for the series what the introduction of the Zero system did for Gundam Wing, introduce an overpowered element that really wasn't needed (yes I now Trans-Am has an ill effect but still).

Top it off they *spoiler* my favorite character. The show as a whole is ruined for me. I certainly like this director and what he was doing but I don't like the direction he's going in right now. Like I said if nothing of interest happens in these last two episodes I'm not going to pick up Season 2. As I said before, I'm picky about my Gundam series and if they don't meet a certain standard I hold for the series and maintain it I will drop it. That standard was met before the introduction of the Thrones but since then it's plummeted drastically (the only redeeming quality was when they *spoiler* and now they lost that with the *spoiler*).

Yea, I know. I'm over critical no use mentioning it.

[gokuDX7]

Sadly it has nothing of interest for me. Since the Thrones were introduced the show has really gone downhill. Frankly the show had promise pre-Thrones, now it really has nothing. The introduction of the Trans-Am system has quite frankly done for the series what the introduction of the Zero system did for Gundam Wing, introduce an overpowered element that really wasn't needed (yes I now Trans-Am has an ill effect but still).

Top it off they *spoiler* my favorite character. The show as a whole is ruined for me. I certainly like this director and what he was doing but I don't like the direction he's going in right now. Like I said if nothing of interest happens in these last two episodes I'm not going to pick up Season 2. As I said before, I'm picky about my Gundam series and if they don't meet a certain standard I hold for the series and maintain it I will drop it. That standard was met before the introduction of the Thrones but since then it's plummeted drastically (the only redeeming quality was when they *spoiler* and now they lost that with the *spoiler*).

Yea, I know. I'm over critical no use mentioning it.

I guess you have a point. I found the beginning half (before thrones) a lot better then the current half (with thrones/and GN-X's), too. But the show is still leap years better then Wing and Seed and that's all that matters to me haha. At least they're going for something new as apposed to recreating the same earth vs space people story. And since the story is interesting and everyone is about equal in terms of power, it's been keeping my attention. However when the Trans-Am was introduced I was thinking the same thing as you. If they didn't add a downside to it, I probably would have had major negative opinions about the series like I did about the thrones being introduced.


As much as I really really hated to see Lockon die, I was a bit happy that they showed that the Gundam pilots are not immortal. They can lose a battle and die. Theres no do overs and magic transportations. It wasn't like Seed where Kara "dies" and then appears someplace else alive and unscathed lol and it wasn't like Wing where the pilots just didn't care about their lives at all and where willing to blow them selves up (yet none of them die either). Lockon went out in a way that seemed realistic and understandable. It's to bad he couldn't just suck it up and leave with Haro but he couldn't, he had to try and kill the bastard that caused so many problems for him.

I also heard a few more of the original Gundam team members die in the next season and that a few new pilots are introduced. I'm wondering if that will be a good or bad idea.

[minion_general]

with a death don't you think said person will come back later? I mean look at the previous seasons of gundam about 30% of the time said character comes back. EX. Hero from wing, and Kira from seed. And they never found a body.

[gokuDX7]

with a death don't you think said person will come back later? I mean look at the previous seasons of gundam about 30% of the time said character comes back. EX. Hero from wing, and Kira from seed. And they never found a body.

Search for last months or the month before (I forgot) Newtype magazine. It has spoilers for things that are set to happen next season. :)

[Strider Hiryu]

with a death don't you think said person will come back later? I mean look at the previous seasons of gundam about 30% of the time said character comes back. EX. Hero from wing, and Kira from seed. And they never found a body.

Buddy I highly doubt the dead will be walking anytime soon. You do realize this is the director that did Full Metal Alchemist so it's safe to bet that once someone dies in this series they ain't coming back.

[Eppy]

yeah its really obvious he is dead....thats a failsafe death the way he went no atmosphere to save him and such

[Strider Hiryu]

Oh yea, we have our Char clone now EVA or we will in the 2nd season. Hooray for masked men who are supposed to be dead /sigh

Well now I'm at a crossroad, to continue or not. Not to thrilled with how S1 ended (though I'll admit it's nice they didn't leave us with any major cliffhangers). Rest will now be in spoilers so look if you dare.

Can't say I was to overly impressed with the show. It had a lot of potential and I mean a lot when it first started. Hell it surpassed my expectations in the beginning and completely killed them when the Thrones were introduced and then brought back some hope when the Thrones were destroyed then lost all that hope and more when Lockon was killed. Yep, nice little roller coaster of hope ending.

Must say the last two episodes proved to be interesting to say the least. The majority of our CB team is dead (Blond haired chick, doctor dude, helms dude, Lasse, Lockon, and supposedly Setsuna now), all the Gundams are basically heaps of trash now, Mobile armor appearance and destruction, Graham's epic GAR moment and epic death (or so we thought, again hooray for masked men who are supposed to be dead) coupled with Setsuna's epic GAR moment and not so epic death, startling revelation of Alle's past with Soma/Marie and Halle's death (so to speak), cyberpunk turning on Mobile armor pilot and claiming his right to rule the unified Earth, Nena's reappearance in ending (god I want her to die), the touching little scene with Marina reading Setsuna's last message (or so we think), the revelation of Gundam 00 (ZOMG overpowered maybe?), Earth is now unified into one major country, and blah blah blah.

I can't really say whether or not I'm going to continue this now. Part of me really wants to see Gundam 00 since it's supposed to be the remnants of Exia rebuilt and I really want to see if that masked man really is Graham (I know I know, it probably is but hell I really want to know). That and I want proof that Setsuna is dead now. The other part of me doesn't want to watch the rest because now it's going to be the new CB under that green haired kids command vs. Earth's unified front. Really I just don't know what to think anymore about this show. We're going to have to see what I feel like in October when the next season starts.

[gokuDX7]

Oh yea, we have our Char clone now EVA or we will in the 2nd season. Hooray for masked men who are supposed to be dead /sigh

Well now I'm at a crossroad, to continue or not. Not to thrilled with how S1 ended (though I'll admit it's nice they didn't leave us with any major cliffhangers). Rest will now be in spoilers so look if you dare.

Can't say I was to overly impressed with the show. It had a lot of potential and I mean a lot when it first started. Hell it surpassed my expectations in the beginning and completely killed them when the Thrones were introduced and then brought back some hope when the Thrones were destroyed then lost all that hope and more when Lockon was killed. Yep, nice little roller coaster of hope ending.

Must say the last two episodes proved to be interesting to say the least. The majority of our CB team is dead (Blond haired chick, doctor dude, helms dude, Lasse, Lockon, and supposedly Setsuna now), all the Gundams are basically heaps of trash now, Mobile armor appearance and destruction, Graham's epic GAR moment and epic death (or so we thought, again hooray for masked men who are supposed to be dead) coupled with Setsuna's epic GAR moment and not so epic death, startling revelation of Alle's past with Soma/Marie and Halle's death (so to speak), cyberpunk turning on Mobile armor pilot and claiming his right to rule the unified Earth, Nena's reappearance in ending (god I want her to die), the touching little scene with Marina reading Setsuna's last message (or so we think), the revelation of Gundam 00 (ZOMG overpowered maybe?), Earth is now unified into one major country, and blah blah blah.

I can't really say whether or not I'm going to continue this now. Part of me really wants to see Gundam 00 since it's supposed to be the remnants of Exia rebuilt and I really want to see if that masked man really is Graham (I know I know, it probably is but hell I really want to know). That and I want proof that Setsuna is dead now. The other part of me doesn't want to watch the rest because now it's going to be the new CB under that green haired kids command vs. Earth's unified front. Really I just don't know what to think anymore about this show. We're going to have to see what I feel like in October when the next season starts.

Ya, the ending was a bit to fast pasted. They tried to wipe out everyone lol.
Graham comes out of no where and blows up with Exia....gay. As for his death, I doubt it. Him and Setsuna probably survived. Setsuna and Allelujah's story's where also not finished completely so I expect to see them show up again in S2.

I plan to watch it in October. I found this series enjoyable but I agree, it was a roller coaster of a series. The whole beginning was great, its to bad they introduced Trinity...that kind of messed up the series in my opinion. O well, I still found it far better then most of the newer Gundam series.

[Mimiru]

Ya, the ending was a bit to fast pasted. They tried to wipe out everyone lol.
Graham comes out of no where and blows up with Exia....gay. As for his death, I doubt it. Him and Setsuna probably survived. Setsuna and Allelujah's story's where also not finished completely so I expect to see them show up again in S2.

I plan to watch it in October. I found this series enjoyable but I agree, it was a roller coaster of a series. The whole beginning was great, its to bad they introduced Trinity...that kind of messed up the series in my opinion. O well, I still found it far better then most of the newer Gundam series.
dont you think its kind of odd that CB didnt know about Trinity? it makes me think that maybe there are a few more gundams out there. S2 is probably gundams V Earth, and somehow, 5 gundams will pwn all of earth. it always happens.

[gokuDX7]

Trinity wasn't apart of CB. They didn't know about it because Veda had no information on them. Trinity had access to Veda thanks to the hacked Haro. So yes, it was weird but its understandable.

and ya, next season we already saw two new Gundams at the end of season one. Theres also supposed to be a few new pilots so I'm assuming Pilots come with Gundams haha. As for the story, It's up in the air. Who really knows whats gonna happen now. Since earth is basically allied together the only possible conflict I could see happening is that new "special earth unit" decides to cause issues since their the only ones with power now, then the Gundams show up to take them out...etc war brakes out....etc etc.

[Strider Hiryu]

As goku pointed out it's not overly weird Veda/CB had no prior information on the Trinity's. As we learned their Solar Furnaces were fakes and as goku said they had access to Veda through Nena's Haro (which for some reason or another ended in their possession). I highly doubt anyone outside of CB and the new organization founded at the end of S1 will have access to Gundams. As we've seen the three sides had no access to the technology behind the Gundams (GN Drives/Solar Furnaces) and were only given access to them toward the end of S1 through leeks in CB intelligence, which was fake to begin with (but still gave them the power needed to beat the Gundams back in the end).

S2 is most likely, don't quote me on this, gonna be the new United Earth government (whatever it's called, I don't remember if a name was given at the end of ep 25) vs. the new organization formed by that green haired kid at them end (or they might be sided with each other, they were vague on his stance in the end). I have a feeling CB will be playing a role similar to what Jamil and crew played in Gundam X, they won't be sided with either group but will be working to end the strife caused between the two sides. Like I said don't quote me on that as they were extremely vague as to what direction S2 will be going in as everything has changed dramatically since the beginning.

Who really knows with this director. The way FMA ended it could be anyone's guess as to how Gundam 00 will end.

[gokuDX7]

As goku pointed out it's not overly weird Veda/CB had no prior information on the Trinity's. As we learned their Solar Furnaces were fakes and as goku said they had access to Veda through Nena's Haro (which for some reason or another ended in their possession). I highly doubt anyone outside of CB and the new organization founded at the end of S1 will have access to Gundams. As we've seen the three sides had no access to the technology behind the Gundams (GN Drives/Solar Furnaces) and were only given access to them toward the end of S1 through leeks in CB intelligence, which was fake to begin with (but still gave them the power needed to beat the Gundams back in the end).

S2 is most likely, don't quote me on this, gonna be the new United Earth government (whatever it's called, I don't remember if a name was given at the end of ep 25) vs. the new organization formed by that green haired kid at them end (or they might be sided with each other, they were vague on his stance in the end). I have a feeling CB will be playing a role similar to what Jamil and crew played in Gundam X, they won't be sided with either group but will be working to end the strife caused between the two sides. Like I said don't quote me on that as they were extremely vague as to what direction S2 will be going in as everything has changed dramatically since the beginning.

Who really knows with this director. The way FMA ended it could be anyone's guess as to how Gundam 00 will end.

ahh ya I forgot about that green haired cyborg and his army of clones lol.

[minion_general]

Side stories out http://www.gundam00.net/F/index.html have the first chapter of 00F. three side stories one before, one durring, and one after.

[Sledgstone]

I finally finished watching Gundam 00 and it surprised me. I was expecting yet another Gundam series based on the exact same plot as all the previous gundams except with a new twist like Seed was. Instead, the plot was good. The gundams were overpowered at first, but they could still be taken out with a beamsaber if someone was fast enough to get thru a clean hit. The thrones were pointless and I hated the never ending anime bullshit of putting cocky or pyshopaths in gundams/mobilesuits. When the Michael guy was shot by that Ali guy I was so friggin pleased. X'D

Lockon was my favorite character. It pissed me off something fierce when they killed him off because no other character in this series is worth shit.

I'm glad they didn't go into to much detail with the super soldier thing. Crap like that has been done too much in gundam. I wished that Allejulah/Halleluah guy wouldv'e died so they could stop referencing brainwaves and super soldier shit that only has to do with two characters in the entire series.

Saji and Louise are so damn pointless. Unless they become major characters in season 2, they wasted so much time on the two of them when they could have done some sort of backstory on any other character or at least givin more information about Veda and it's AI with miraculous information gathering ability.

It was refreshing that colonies were not in this season, but colonies were mentioned in I think one sentance in one of the later episodes. "My parents died on blah blah colony" So with the earth now unified and all gundam's series' plots focusing on mankinds never ending warmongering with one another, I wouldn't be surprised if the unified earth will now set its sights on conquering space faring people like colonies.

But, wouldn't it be a fucking awesome twist if it turns out CB knew an alien force was moving in towards earth? What if it turns out CB's ultimate goal was realized in uniting earth into a single power in an attempt to save all of humanity from a truely outside threat? But we all know this would never happen. :p

And I wouldn't be surprised if Lockon returns as a masked man himself. They did that with Laflaga (sp?) on Seed. He was everyone's favorite character and he died without a doubt, but that bastard somehow survived with a scar on his face and no memory. And of course became an enemy of his former friends until his memory started coming back, blah blah. I hope Lockon truely is dead, because that would make his death that much more meaningful. And maybe that pink haired girl that liked him will become a gundam meister and fight like he did.

[gokuDX7]

I finally finished watching Gundam 00 and it surprised me. I was expecting yet another Gundam series based on the exact same plot as all the previous gundams except with a new twist like Seed was. Instead, the plot was good. The gundams were overpowered at first, but they could still be taken out with a beamsaber if someone was fast enough to get thru a clean hit. The thrones were pointless and I hated the never ending anime bullshit of putting cocky or pyshopaths in gundams/mobilesuits. When the Michael guy was shot by that Ali guy I was so friggin pleased. X'D

Lockon was my favorite character. It pissed me off something fierce when they killed him off because no other character in this series is worth shit.

I'm glad they didn't go into to much detail with the super soldier thing. Crap like that has been done too much in gundam. I wished that Allejulah/Halleluah guy wouldv'e died so they could stop referencing brainwaves and super soldier shit that only has to do with two characters in the entire series.

Saji and Louise are so damn pointless. Unless they become major characters in season 2, they wasted so much time on the two of them when they could have done some sort of backstory on any other character or at least givin more information about Veda and it's AI with miraculous information gathering ability.

It was refreshing that colonies were not in this season, but colonies were mentioned in I think one sentance in one of the later episodes. "My parents died on blah blah colony" So with the earth now unified and all gundam's series' plots focusing on mankinds never ending warmongering with one another, I wouldn't be surprised if the unified earth will now set its sights on conquering space faring people like colonies.

But, wouldn't it be a fucking awesome twist if it turns out CB knew an alien force was moving in towards earth? What if it turns out CB's ultimate goal was realized in uniting earth into a single power in an attempt to save all of humanity from a truely outside threat? But we all know this would never happen. :p

And I wouldn't be surprised if Lockon returns as a masked man himself. They did that with Laflaga (sp?) on Seed. He was everyone's favorite character and he died without a doubt, but that bastard somehow survived with a scar on his face and no memory. And of course became an enemy of his former friends until his memory started coming back, blah blah. I hope Lockon truely is dead, because that would make his death that much more meaningful. And maybe that pink haired girl that liked him will become a gundam meister and fight like he did.

:) looks like you liked it.

Ya, Lockon was in everyones top 2 fav chars. I think the reason being is becuse hes the only normal guy. He acts so casual its almost like he could be your best buddy. Everyone else either doesn't talk, puts people down, or is just crazy. I agree, it sucks about what happen but they needed to keep the show realistic. It would suck if he just randomly showed up in space all safe floating around like nothing happened.


Saji and Louise where used for two things. The first, being to show what it's like to be a normal middle class teenager with no power at all feeling the effects of war. And the second being, it builds up their background for the second season. They both play major parts in the second season as you can see from the ending of the first season. Veda will also most likely be explained extensively since we now have an army of Cyborg clones.

PS. There is a masked man in the second season if you look closely in the end of the last ep in Gundam 00 ^_^;, lets hope it's not who you think it is.

[EVA-01]

So yeah, I put it off after the first episode and actually finished it a long time ago when the last episodes sub was released. It was actually good, shouldn't have doubted it etc...

[Sledgstone]

The official website updated with the characters and gundams for season 2... and low and behold, Lockon is listed as a character for season 2:

http://www.gundam00.net/character/index.html

So hes either a twin or he somehow survived. O_o

[gokuDX7]

..or a flashback, or a cyborg, or an Android. It could mean a number of things :)

[Eppy]

The official website updated with the characters and gundams for season 2... and low and behold, Lockon is listed as a character for season 2:

http://www.gundam00.net/character/index.html

So hes either a twin or he somehow survived. O_o

didnt i tell a few people about that...it was updated like a month or so ago...maybe it was jsut strider and goku :-/

[Sledgstone]

you left me out of the loop. ;_;

[Eppy]

I think i just forgot about the loop :)

[Godgrave]

And me tchoo >_> *waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah*

[Strider Hiryu]

Wait, there's a loop? *looks around confused* I didn't know there was a loop, Eppy just randomly tells me things (in very weird and disturbing ways sometimes).

[gokuDX7]

I think this "loop" is whoever happens to be on MSN or MAL the same time he is XD.

[Eppy]

I think this "loop" is whoever happens to be on MSN or MAL the same time he is XD.

AIM also :P you basically took the words out of my mouth

[Strider Hiryu]

Ah that loop. Ok, I know what we're speaking about now. Yea, it's a pretty inclusive loop. We're not accepting new members right now :P

[Godgrave]

*feels left out and prematurely ejaculates on all 3 of em*